Al, perhaps you and your readers can help me get the information I need: I have only ever been able to find tertiary sources (like undocumented statements in geology textbooks) that document the extent and thickness of the global land-based ice cap at the peak of the Ice Age. (Or, rather than get sidetracked bickering with those who maintain that there have been multiple ice ages through a long geological history, at the peak of the most recent ice age.) I contend, based on these tertiary sources, as well as statements (again, not fully documented in my opinion) on how much the world ocean rose when that maximum glaciation melted to today's extent of global glaciation, there should have been a greater rise in sea level. Water has been lost from the system, and that is corroborated by historical accounts as well as other measurable phenomena. We're not talking about a possible miscalculation, but a loss of about 50% of the liquid water released from ice melt. My problem, as I have said, is that I need help locating primary sources, say of people whose research establishes the extent of that peak glaciation. I'll be glad for any assistance.
David, I don't see how anyone could possibly know how high the ice cap was; all we know is how far its borders extended. We know the extent from striation marks on rocks. I've seen these in the Adirondacks and in Mt Rainier National Park, for example. I also don't see how we could ever have any exact knowledge of changes in ocean depth. when you go back more than a few hundred years, there weren't any scientists doing any measuring, so how could you have any documentation? You're chasing the wind, in my opinion.
Thanks for your feedback. I do really need to research this on my own, because I have seen statements promulgated as facts. So I really do need to get my ducks in a row. Sorry to obfuscate your excellent posts. I will do my best to refrain from making statements, especially because others could take them as kooky, on others' posts. (But I have read geography books...)
G'day Mr. Christie, I enjoy your thoughts and sharing of both information and scripture now and again. I am quite taken by and driven to share recent Creation Science research and findings - good science versus mythical long-time explained evolution... anyways, I am amused with 'global warming' and the recent change to 'climate change' since we are in a bit of a cooling trend. I wonder if we remained in the Post-Flood (of Noah's fame) Ice Age temperatures if somehow that would be better for mankind... seems silly but here we are. Thanks for the sanity and often fun musings, sir! (from an Idahoan Child of God).
Thank you for the kind comments. As for living during ice age conditions, it's interesting that the Book of Job, probably the oldest book in the bible, has more mentions of ice and snow than any others, so it's possible that it was written during the ice age. After all, the glaciers during the ice age didn't cover the whole world. The ancient civilizations - Babylon, Egypt, Canaan - were mostly at sea level or low elevations, and at low enough latitudes to be safe from the glaciers in the north. Mike Oard has written that there was only one ice age, as you mentioned, post flood, and that it probably lasted a few hundred years after Noah's Flood, so about 2300-1700 BC. according to the bible timeline.
You're welcome but really, gratitude for your writings and this opportunity to share is due you!
I enjoy Michael Oard, reading his books and got to meet him in Missoula this past spring at a conference he presented at as well as I got to join him as he led a couple field-trips in that area. 'Science' resisted the fact of the 'Missoula Flood' up into the 1970's in spite of evidence. Mr. Oard has written of and presented a couple movies on that Ice Age that near it's end produced Lake Missoula and the subsequent Glacial ice-dam breech that caused the eastern Washington state amazing geoformations.
Do pardon my long-notes! I do get enthused that solid science is being utilized to show the truths found in God's Word, particularly in Genesis. Evolution requires greater faith in a fairy-tale set of facts than what the Bible's perspective presents. The enemy of God has been very successful with evolution. Bless you and again, thank you! (Wayne)
Al, perhaps you and your readers can help me get the information I need: I have only ever been able to find tertiary sources (like undocumented statements in geology textbooks) that document the extent and thickness of the global land-based ice cap at the peak of the Ice Age. (Or, rather than get sidetracked bickering with those who maintain that there have been multiple ice ages through a long geological history, at the peak of the most recent ice age.) I contend, based on these tertiary sources, as well as statements (again, not fully documented in my opinion) on how much the world ocean rose when that maximum glaciation melted to today's extent of global glaciation, there should have been a greater rise in sea level. Water has been lost from the system, and that is corroborated by historical accounts as well as other measurable phenomena. We're not talking about a possible miscalculation, but a loss of about 50% of the liquid water released from ice melt. My problem, as I have said, is that I need help locating primary sources, say of people whose research establishes the extent of that peak glaciation. I'll be glad for any assistance.
David, I don't see how anyone could possibly know how high the ice cap was; all we know is how far its borders extended. We know the extent from striation marks on rocks. I've seen these in the Adirondacks and in Mt Rainier National Park, for example. I also don't see how we could ever have any exact knowledge of changes in ocean depth. when you go back more than a few hundred years, there weren't any scientists doing any measuring, so how could you have any documentation? You're chasing the wind, in my opinion.
Thanks for your feedback. I do really need to research this on my own, because I have seen statements promulgated as facts. So I really do need to get my ducks in a row. Sorry to obfuscate your excellent posts. I will do my best to refrain from making statements, especially because others could take them as kooky, on others' posts. (But I have read geography books...)
Al, I put on the head phones, and it was like sitting in your living room. Thanks for the info, and good health to you and Bev.
G'day Mr. Christie, I enjoy your thoughts and sharing of both information and scripture now and again. I am quite taken by and driven to share recent Creation Science research and findings - good science versus mythical long-time explained evolution... anyways, I am amused with 'global warming' and the recent change to 'climate change' since we are in a bit of a cooling trend. I wonder if we remained in the Post-Flood (of Noah's fame) Ice Age temperatures if somehow that would be better for mankind... seems silly but here we are. Thanks for the sanity and often fun musings, sir! (from an Idahoan Child of God).
Thank you for the kind comments. As for living during ice age conditions, it's interesting that the Book of Job, probably the oldest book in the bible, has more mentions of ice and snow than any others, so it's possible that it was written during the ice age. After all, the glaciers during the ice age didn't cover the whole world. The ancient civilizations - Babylon, Egypt, Canaan - were mostly at sea level or low elevations, and at low enough latitudes to be safe from the glaciers in the north. Mike Oard has written that there was only one ice age, as you mentioned, post flood, and that it probably lasted a few hundred years after Noah's Flood, so about 2300-1700 BC. according to the bible timeline.
You're welcome but really, gratitude for your writings and this opportunity to share is due you!
I enjoy Michael Oard, reading his books and got to meet him in Missoula this past spring at a conference he presented at as well as I got to join him as he led a couple field-trips in that area. 'Science' resisted the fact of the 'Missoula Flood' up into the 1970's in spite of evidence. Mr. Oard has written of and presented a couple movies on that Ice Age that near it's end produced Lake Missoula and the subsequent Glacial ice-dam breech that caused the eastern Washington state amazing geoformations.
Do pardon my long-notes! I do get enthused that solid science is being utilized to show the truths found in God's Word, particularly in Genesis. Evolution requires greater faith in a fairy-tale set of facts than what the Bible's perspective presents. The enemy of God has been very successful with evolution. Bless you and again, thank you! (Wayne)
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